crucial that ultimately, united states forces would have to meet it in open battle. >> the interesting thing you point out is that winston churchill, we think of as this great military commander in chief, was wrong on almost all his military strategies during the war. he was wrong for two reasons. one, sometimes he was just plain wrong. and other times, it was a secret way to actually try to retain the british empire while defeating the germans. >> yes. i mean, one could say that this was a reasonable national strategy, if it worked. but the trouble was, for all of his genius as a leader, as an orator, as somebody who could marshal the will of a nation, as he did in his finest hour in 1940, even though he'd been to military college, which fdr