up and really challenging incumbents and in stacy abrams place putting reasonable challenge where she came so close. her critics will say though they didn't end up making cuts so why are we putting our bets on someone who lost a race n.stacey abrams race you have factors putting into it where she may have won if and she's still kind of this questionable candidate in terms of people wanting to put their hope in her for something bigger. >> joe biden among those at the event. i'm suspecting from him we'll get a little bit of bar rack that always helps him with references. >> more next.