>> i wonder if i might engage with my client privately. >> certainly. >> what are you doing for dinner tonight? >> i was planning on having you. >> in that case, skip lunch. >> the formula had gotten established of how you can do a dramatic show, and yet still have an awful lot of fun. we didn't used to be able to accept that very easily in a tv hour. and even before the '80s were out, it's like, okay, i get it. so it's like what are the rules now? >> what are you doing? you said you're part of a change going on. >> i'm doing what i should have done all along. they have strong viewpoints and letting them do what they want to do. >> what the best television is, it dryschs itself by its voice.