this relationship, they real -- there was no relationship between the special counsel's office and the department of justice. when you think about it, when you see how things are starting to play out now, you have to wonder, well, what were these communications between rod rosenstein overseeing the investigation and the mueller team? it would seem like there wasn't a lot of good communication. they were surprised, the attorney general said that he was surprised by a lot of what mule der and that they asked what do you want redacted? mueller never got backed to them. they were surprised by the fact that mueller never came to a conclusion on the obstruction issue and left it to him so this tells me there was certainly poor communications going back and forth and it could be a trust issue in the end in that the mueller team wanted to keep this independent so they weren't telling the department of justice. >> you mentioned the attorney general stayed they were surprised that robert mule der not reach a conclusion affirmatively on whether or not the president obstructed justice. he talked about that as well this morning. let's listen. >> he could have reached a