we've seen it in other state facilities as well. i believe it was late last year when we saw an escape of a high security inmate in france that was effective by a helicopter. it is not outside the realm of possibilities. >> help us understand how one could pull off when you're in the mcc and you're this inmate and you're barely seeing the light of day and you would be given maybe a little bit of outside time which would allow you to interact with other people and you have a lot of money back in the ether, how would you facilitate a helicopter to the facility? >> well, if i could spend two hours on the roof, that would be a good start. i mean, really, it is. and from my per spect i have, it's the worst place for him. especially two hours. yeah, inmates in lockdown status such as guzman are locked down 24 hours a day. they have one hour of recreation time. if i were the warden of that facility, i certainly would not put this type of individual on the roof. you just cannot take any chances