and this is something we have to keep in mind as media perceptions, the media has been evaluating warren, just like they evaluated buttigieg a month ago. and part of the reason that is, media perceptions are based on who surrounds them, right? we know that polls find that d.c. and new york city are far more liberal than the nation as a whole and we have newsroom employees that are overwhelmingly more likely to have a college degree than not. >> i think that's an interesting insight. but isn't it also that they had successful town halls. >> yes wing there's some of that. >> isn't that sort of what started turning the momentum for some of the candidates? >> i think that town halls have helped, but beto o'rourke, we'll see if he gets that same town hall type of thing. but i realized that last time the media was really judging donald trump based upon who they knew, and i'm very cautious of reading too much into that. one last thing, look at this. it's the beginning of summer. when does summer begin? most people believe it begins memorial day weekend. i think it begins meteorologically -- >> on june 21st.