kevin mccarthy is saying there. and kate, democrats are putting a bit of an awkward spot, too, because he's gone farther, amash has, on the question of impeep mpt than a lot of their own leaders have. that will be a question for them to answer from their own supporters, why aren't you aligning with the republican who said that the president has engaged in impeachment conduct? >> i think you hit it there. it really can't be overstated how significant it is to hear kevin mccarthy coming out and lambasting him in that way so publ publicly. it's not one of those, the statement is said in public and we deal with our problems in private at all. >> joining me now, john kasich, former republican governor of ohio, former presidential candidate, and now cnn senior political commentator. i'm also going to lean on your time in congress as well. we're going to continue through your resume, as i like to do, governor. what do you think of congressman amash's take here?