because the disaster relief is running out. we need a defense budget in this country, but it should not be run by boeing executives, former boeing executives sitting on top of the defense department, shilling for their own company and trashing on the competitors. it's flat-out wrong. >> that's one of the things, of course, it's the definition -- again, if true, it is the definition of the swamp, kind of a revolving door from you're in a business, and then you go to somewhere in government that relates to that business, and then you leave and alternately go back to the business and are rewarded for what you did when you were in government. if it's true -- and i say it's a big if -- i mean it is another example of a cabinet secretary, in this case acting secretary, potentially being accused of using influence either to pad their own pockets or do favors for cronies. >> well, it certainly is. i have to say, though, i don't think a former boeing executive, someone who has worked at boeing for 30 years, should be put in