feeling that he could be a great things for the country. and yet this was what brought him down. he had these demons inside him that he never learned to control. they got the best of him. if you were not for me, he thought you must be against him. he believed in the law of the jungle. eat or be eaten he had this dark side that came spilling out that ultimately knocked him out. as he told david frost later on when he was asked, what really happened. he said i gave my enemies a sword and then they ran me through. and that's what he did. he did give them a sword. i think john and carl and i probably all agree on that. >> gentlemen, thank you so much for this interesting conversation. the series is going to be fascinating. i appreciate it all. good to have you with us. >> thank you. who is tricky dick?