it, as distasteful as it is. >> so olivia, this, bottom line, would be about re-election. this would be president trump speaking to his base, who are on board with, you know, this psychology. >> yeah, i think that looking ahead, he probably is thinking that way, but i think with trump, it's also -- he knows that the media is going to react very strongly. there are going to be a lot of panels like this one discussing what's wrong with saying something like that about somebody who cannot defend themselves, even though i think megan mccain did a fantastic job of being graceful and responding to that comment. but i think that he likes to be an agitator, and this is a form of him doing that. i think there was a good point made just now about him really holding grudges and maybe that explains this a bit. but i think he really does just like to create chaos and create outrage cycles. again, he's deflecting from the