and you cannot come off as carrying torches to the castle. this is extraordinarily serious. i do believe the president has abused his powers. but i also believe in the process. >> let me ask you this, then. because considering that speaker pelosi has said the president, president trump is ethically, intellectually, and curiosity wise unfit for office. if evidence does exist of wrongdoing why keep someone like that in office if you believe all those things? >> well, you're very, very close to an extraordinarily large addition in my mind of evidence toward that end. and that's special counsel's report. in addition, again, the hospital select committee on intelligence has just started to reopen that investigation. and i think there's real information to be found of the president and those around him's wrongdoing. again, you've got one shot at this. if you leap ahead before you have that information, you're certainly not going to succeed.