and i think at this stage, this early, when there's so many people throwing their hat in the ring, that's going to rise to the top if if he runs. >> really quickly, i think that popularity like that vanishes quickly when you get into the arena. hillary clinton was incredibly popular as secretary of state, and you can see what happened. once you get into the arena, that kind of popularity fades quickly, that's part of the danger for him. >> good to have both of you with us, thank you. we're live from south by southwest in austin, texas. three cnn presidential town halls back to back this weekend. john delaney at 7:00, tulsi gabbert at 8:00. protesters clashing in the streets of caracas as the crisis in venezuela continues to worsen. cnn takes you there. plus -- >> are you concerned that if you