as interim president man maduro. >> maduro is feeling threatened then. when he says to the u.s., your imperial aggression will lead to his strong response, what is he saying? >> that's what he's got to say to his own supporters. there's little he can do. he's got to hold on. he's got nowhere to go. he's got to keep the military behind him and the pressure is increasing. >> he doesn't feel he has the upper hand? >> i don't think so. >> he's behind the power outages, likely? right? >> i don't know that anybody knows that. i mean, look, their system fails every year at this time. >> okay. >> they haven't invested in it to keep it working. what is extraordinary this time is how widespread it is. almost the entire country is blacked out. you can see reports of people dying in hospitals because dialysis machines don't work. doing operations with the flashlights from cell phones.