bloodshot, and there was no clear indication while he was speaking he was crying but certainly at the end you can tell that he realized the gravity of all of this. and i bet a huge sigh of relief. i know his attorneys certainly felt that way. they were not expecting such a low sentence. but in the end it seems that the judge, who as you said did have issues with this prosecution, went on the low side here. >> yeah, i mean -- and the judge calls it, elie, excessive. the guidelines. right? the 19 to 24 years. you call the actual sentence a joke. >> yeah. i stand by that. i think this sentence was unjust and unreasonable and unprincipled. i do agree 19 to 24 would have been excessive. but this judge went 15 years below the bottom of that range. that is an enormous reduction. and i have two problems with it. first of all, it's hard to conceive of a defendant who had more openly flouted the u.s. government and criminal justice simm. he lied at every turn. he got convicted at trial. he got his bail revoked because he tried to tamper with witnesses. he lied to mueller. he lied to the fbi. he didn't even expect remorse today. and i don't know what kind of