>> and nothing happened after that. and nobody's been charged on anything in that at all. >> right. >> and of course we're not done yet. and mueller's report, although it's rumored that it's going to be coming out, it isn't out yet. so really i believe we still have to sit back and wait. but there's been so much pantomime, fake, farce, travesty, parody, sham, masquerade in this whole thing. i don't think it's going to measure up to watergate in the end. >> kirsten, do you think michael's right, that history's going to look back at this and say what was the kerfuffle about? >> well, there's no way to know. of course if it ends up being what a lot of people think it is then it is going to be much bigger than watergate. because watergate was about a break-in into the democratic national convention and then the obstruction of justice on the part of the president to cover it up. if what has been alleged here happened, we're talking about a foreign power interfering in an american election and our