he gets some kudos for that. >> sure. >> absolutely, because that means that he will have made some structural changes. look, there's a debate out there about where this is going to end up. i thought about it chris, the day after the korean summit broke up, i mean with north korea over in vietnam. what i thought about right then is what does this do for the china negotiations? and i don't know. the jury is out on where they're going to come down. it could be that china says, oh, we'll buy more soybeans or whatever. but what we're looking for are the structural changes that must come vis-á-vis china, and can we be in a position of where we can say, yep, we really have got some significant changes, even on currency manipulation, which is another issue that's related to trade. >> mm-hmm. >> we sound like a couple economists here. people are not that interested in economists, you know? >> listen, one thing i've learned, gov, it doesn't matter if it's what people want in the moment if it's what people need.