whether or not he actually broke the law by encouraging michael cohen to lie to congress or doing any other thing there could be this perception that is put out there by all of these questions being raised that the president is involved in an elaborate scheme of sdeception. i think it is gris p for that process as it goes forward in the next few years. >> the justice department guidelines are that you can't indict a sitting president but there's no such guidelines for the house of representatives to begin impeachment proceedings. you could begin for a sitting president. >> right. exactly. the flame of tname of the game congress doesn't unless they believe and they try to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. they are trying to determine