a no unless you guys can change this because of the precedent that it sets. we'll wait and see how you vote. i want to ask you about north korea. you were with otto warmbier's family when his plane finally landed back in the united states when he was finally released from being held in north korea. when the president says he takes kim jong-un's word for it that he didn't know about otto's condition, do you believe him? >> it's n not plausible that he didn't know about it. kim describes himself as the supreme leader. otto warmbier was the only american detained at the time this horrible thing happened to him. he was terribly mistreated. >> what does it do to you hearing that from the president? >> you know, i've expressed myself clearly about it saying this guy kim cannot be let off the hook and he can't be trusted. now, it doesn't mean we shouldn't be talking to north korea.