lengthy public testimony did you have a retainer or did the president have a retain we are you and his answer was no. >> and i think that it's also pont important to note the president trump said he i had nothing to do with michael cohen. he wasn't serving any functiony now, michael cohen was saying this for the second time before congress or he spoke -- he's spoken before congress many times. one of the reasons he's going to jail is because he lied. so you want to try to give him the benefit of the doubt that this time he was telling the truth. the question is, can the trump team, rude jewy giuliani find a piece of paper that shows is it was a retainer? and the reason that matters is because if that is the case, then that's payments of just for him being a lawyer, not necessarily for hush money. but, it's just a -- >> i don't know that it's believable and frankly at this point, one of the -- one of the things i think is most genius, and you can take that term how you want, about the way the