you one thing, because you said evidentiary based. michael cohen had checks signed by the president of the united states while he was in office. that's not michael cohen's credibility. you said, i'll take the president over michael cohen. that was evidence. >> look, i think we ought to look at any legitimate, credible evidence. i do think in this case, both mr. nadler and others are really, they are in the deepest of fishing expedition, under incredible pressure to impeach the president and find a means to do it. this isn't a crime looking for a suspect, this is a suspect they've chosen, president trump, and now they're trying to find a crime. >> but just to understand, when i want comes to, say, violating the law, the hush money payments, if that happened, obviously, you still have -- you have room to wiggle, as congress. you say someone broke the law and that's still not impeachable, because we choose to make it not so. that's not impeachable for you? >> look, i would like to see the