american citizen. >> hold on. >> using it to rile people up saying, we're going to send him back to kenya, what else is it? >> his only defense would be -- >> go back to africa. >> -- i believed it, if he says, i believe he wasn't born here, that's fine. then he's not owning it as a deception. but if he meant it to play along to the deception and go back to africa literally, racist? >> yes. well, i mean there's evidence. he showed you the birth certificate. why would you, why would you question that? >> why did talib apologize? >> why? why did talib apologize for what? >> calling him a racist? >> well, she said the act of what he did was racist. >> right. >> not that he was racist. there is a distinction there. >> tell me. >> well, chris, have you -- you're a smart person, don't you think? >> yes, but i want you to go through it. >> do you do stupid things sometimes? >> all the time. >> make stupid decisions? >> with stunning frequency. >> does it undercut your intelligence? you are a human being. >> sometimes i do stupid things