bill richardson who created a relationship with north korea, somebody i was in touch with at the very beginning of this whole thing, he would tell you, i believe he would tell you that they know exactly what they're doing in regard to american and to say that i talked to this guy and there's lots of things happening in the country but he didn't know -- >> he didn't know about it and i will take him at his word. >> it's beyond outrageous and, brooke, think about if your own son or daughter went on a trip and then they just disappeared and they sent him back and he -- you don't know where he is the whole time. there's no communication. the state department didn't always know or at least didn't tell people what was going on and at the end he comes home and basically -- >> he isn't himself. >> -- he's brain dead. the parents have to go through this excruciating situation that remains today because it wasn't that long ago and then you have the president saying, well, i