those? >> as neither should i as the son of a holocaust survivor. >> that exchange led to another interesting exchange with another member of congress that we'll get to. we're back with our panel. nia-malika, i'm just curious. what was that? what was mark meadows doing? >> i mean, i am still wondering about that today. i mean, first of all, you never see folks sort of props behind, you know, members of congress. so that in and of itself was sort of odd. and then you saw lynn patton there standing there. mark meadows speaking for her, right. >> she didn't speak. that did not make the case very well. >> it didn't make the case. you saw her sort of awkwardly standing there. what do i do? should i sit over there? i want to be in the frame because my sort of black presence here is important in what mark meadows is saying but it was so bizarre. and you had exchanges from the