doesn't specify we want the whole program given up, did the president just move the goal post on these negotiations? >> i think that's been kim jong-un's strategy here all along because the freeze in nuclear testing happened in november of 2017 before this detente even began and certainly before president trump was engaged, was brought into it by kim and president moon jae-in. i think kim's long-term strategy is that the world eventually gets comfortable with him and comfortable with the fact that he possesses a couple of dozen nuclear weapons and as long as he's not testing them, maybe we can live with that. >> the clock is on his side, jim. he knows that trump's not popular. i'm sure he was aware of this cohen testimony and where trump's numbers are and in two years he may be sitting across the table from a very different president who will be far less accommodating. so the clock really is on kim's side. i just don't see him making any big moves here over the next couple of years to give up what he considers to be his leverage and his advantage. >> we're going to dig down more on this as we continue, but we're going to have to take a break. let's not forget actually there have been deals made with the