their face and they're eating it like it was ice cream. >> yeah. well, listen, i have to say, i know politics is a dirty business. no one knows that more than you. you grew up in a political family. have you ever anything like what congressman -- >> nope. >> gaetz did today? >> oh, i thought you mont the whole process. this was in this new reality of overt man ifestations of obnoxious political behaviors, this ranks high. but matt gaetz is developing a little bit of a persona of being a provocateur. he's a little bit like a baby trump in that regard. he knows if he is provocative, it gets him attention. and it gets him noticed and it distinguishes him. and let me tell you, he's got a lot of friends in the white house. he's got a lot of love in the white house. so do i think that he was trying to chill michael cohen? no, i do not. i think he was trying to get attention and he go it. >> i think it's both. >> do i think it will have any effect on cohen? i think it has no effect. >> i think it's both. i think it's, don't worry, man,