joining us from london. good to have you with us. >> my pleasure. >> esa, two trucks carried in aid from brazil. what does that mean for juan guaido what does it mean for nicolas maduro? >> i think the defections are significant, but perhaps not in the way that you might think immediately. you have to think about the fact that these are 60 fairly low ranked members of the armed forces and the armed forces are made up of hundreds of thousands of people. really if anything it shows how close the military remains to maduro. and so that creates a new problem for guaido, since this is really the second time he's essentially rolled the dice on some kind of side switching by the military and in neither case have we seen any major defections. you need some much higher ranking officials to do that, but at the moment, it is not