respectfully disagree. i think maga supporters have painted themselves as this. when you look at footage and hear what they say there are is the honor toast goodness truth and we have to be bold enough to call that out. >> why the extreme at the rally? >> i'm sorry. >> the extremes at the rally. you are using a broad brush stroke as well. but the streams of the rally have been violent, not most of the thousands there. >> well, the fact that most of the thousand of people aren't shouting, you know, ridiculous, hateful rhetoric but you have aligned yourself with a group of people who does. and if we want to pretend that the maga symbol hasn't come to represent that, i think that's false. >> i can say one thing? we need to make crystal clear if the chicago police are right, no one in a maga hat did this. >> right, a i degri agree. >> jussie smollett made this up. it's on him. this is on him, if the police are right here. the bigger implications might be on him also, but we're going to