matt whitaker because whitaker didn't follow through to put guardrails around this probe. is that ethical behavior in your view as a lawyer? >> so let's talk about the whitaker issue. geoff berman did the right thing. just the appearance of the conflict of interest, he did the right thing. for whatever reason he decided to do it. >> the president didn't think it was the right thing. >> even if matt whitaker asked geoff berman to get involved in that problem, he wasn't getting involved in the probe, he recused himself. he had obligations as a lawyer and obligations to the justice department as a presidentially appointed senate confirmed united states attorney. we don't know whether the president made that inquiry or not. he's denied it. whitaker hasn't confirmed it. i don't believe that even if the