president. why would you think he wanted to hurt him when he could have leaked about him and he didn't -- >> well, first of all, the better question is why is he talking about the president now? like his boss comey, they have three, four, five interactions. this man just told your colleague, in my 25 year at the fbi and he left because he lied under oath. and the obama appointee, the professional responsibility individual that was appointed by president obama. let's be fair here. let's tell the audience everything at play. that person concluded that -- >> tell me when i get it wrong. >> but that person concluded that andrew mccabe lied. that he had not acted with candor. >> about leaking stories about the clinton foundation investigation. that part matters. >> and you're asking me about his credibility. >> let's say he lied. let's say he lied. this president has lied in ways we have never seen. >> he's still lying. >> i'm just saying how can you say he's got better credibility.