prominent democrat who ran in texas and lost, your former colleague beto o'rourke, said about the wall. he said basically that he believes that the wall should be taken down in his hometown of el paso, texas. what do you think? >> i don't think we should be removing physical barriers. congress appropriated $1.375 billion this go around. $1.3 billion before. there are physical barriers that impede pedestrian movement. we focused on funding those barriers that resemble the designs currently deployed. so that's what we ought to do. no nation in the world that doesn't protect its borders. i reject the idea that we should take down walls. >> is that going to hurt him? >> i don't know. i don't know if it is or not. i totally agree with you. as democrats have been saying, some portions need physical barriers. some need technological barriers. >> so you'd not take down --