fair, and hopefully, i'll just say it, from hacking and other kinds of technology that could ruin an election. >> i want to get your take, too. you talk about process. one of the other things we learned from scott pelley who conducted that interview with andrew mccabe. he talks about how mccabe spoke with him about meetings at the justice department saying it was discussed whether the vice president and a majority of the cabinet could be brought together to remove the president of the united states under the 25th amendment. he goes on to say they were speculating about who would be with us, who wouldn't be. they didn't take a vote. they didn't ask people's opinions but said they were counting noses in scott pelley's words. that's what andrew mccabe told him. is that surprising? i'm curious about your reaction to that revelation. >> i'm not surprised at all. those of us who were around during the nixon investigations,