definitely not saying what he has said, what conversations -- what kind of advice or any kind of conversations he's had with people in the white house, for instance. he's made sure that he stayed within those lines. so even though he's a bit sloppy, i think that's the line he's trying to observe. >> what i was trying to say is he sort of signed himself up, though, by saying he hasn't spoken to the president about the mueller probe, because then, inevitably, the question will be what about the sdny probe, which he hasn't answered yet. then he could say, yes, he did talk to him about the sdny investigation. it will be interesting to see how he handles that question. manu says expect that to come. >> you had great reporting with jared where you detailed that. the president had been questioned about these sdny