that's why she's polling higher. than president of the united states. >> what public policy are you talking about? because every border control agent, everybody who is down there on the front line is saying that walls are effective. >> they say walls -- >> walls are effective. >> be careful. >> let's just be careful, gentlemen, especially on this show, one, everybody knows and they come after me for it, i believe the men and the women who are in charge of keeping us safe that physical barriers are helpful to them. none has ever told me it is their top priority. the president made it his and he's handcuffed them to that priority. >> but that's not the point you're making. >> the point i'm making -- >> that doesn't mean it's not necessary. >> i don't think the president is saying that. the president is willing to do other things. >> no, he only talks about the wall. >> that's not what he's willing to do. >> he has put lots of things on the table. >> the irony of this rick -- >> he's not getting any cooperation. >> the irony in this is this is all the president is talking about when it comes to