in the history of this nation. what does that mean to you? >> well, listen, in every position that i've held -- when i was district attorney, i was elected as the first woman of the sitting county. i was the first woman of color in the entire state of california. when i ran for attorney general and when i was elected, it was as the first woman ever and the first person of color ever. you know, frankly, jake, my mother used to have a saying. she would say to me, kamala, you may be the first to do many things, but make sure you're not the last. >> so nina, what do you make of it? what's your assessment of how candidates are kind of handling the issue of race, of heritage, of identity? >> it's a beautiful thing, fred, for candidates to lean into their heritage. we all have a story to tell, and our lived experience does inform us. it is a beautiful thing because even in that running, the