significant. i think it's very appropriate. you know, again, i mean the state of virginia has a day in which they celebrate robert e. lee. robert e. lee before martin luther king holiday. you know, the governor came out very strong after charlottesville talking about getting rid of confederate monuments, and then he backtr k backtracked on that. so i think it would be extremely appropriate. i know that the lieutenant governor is very, very popular in the state, and i think it would be a tremendous step toward healing for him to take over. it should be governor fairfax at this point. >> do you see any path forward in which northam is able to stay in office and govern effectively? >> i really don't. no, i really don't. how could you possibly trust him? and just imagine, you know, the african-american elected officials in that legislative caucus, our two members, these are people that new him for years and years. can you imagine the sense of betrayal that they feel? how could he possibly have