very hard with the black community, he's going to go very hard on criminal justice reform, he's going to go very hard on his common touch which he does have with ordinary people. but is he going to catch fire. he's going to catch some flak from the left of our party. >> i can just say one thing, though? when you're mayor of newark, he brought major investment into downtown newark. that was part of his job and it is hard to do. big companies weren't coming into newark and he helped turn that around and that involves reaching out to wall street and big corporations. so that hit on him from the activist class, i get it. but did he his job in mayor in doing that outreach. >> he's going to -- there's an interview i think he gave in 2012, might have been on meet the press, where he criticizes the approach that the obama campaign is making to mitt romney and beating up on venture capitalists and that's going to come back to him. he called it naus eighting the way that the obama allies and obama was attacking mitt romney. that's certainly going to come back and haunt him. we'll see how that plays. but all mixed up, he is somebody that's electrifying. between him and elizabeth