dlir differentiator. we have more mayors than governors in the race. he has lowered unemployment, lowered crime, but there was the criticism from his successor. did you see the more on meet the press than in the streets toward the end of his term. that's one of the things, he's been a media figurehead for so long, can he keep that freshness and energy? but is he a raw talent that really stands out in any political field. >> i think he backed off a lot of the media ever aught last four over the last four or five years in anticipation of getting in this race. van, i've heard you say no one should assume that any one voter or voting block is going to follow any one candidate for any run reason. cory booker, complicated, interesting, as you said. he also, if he's been criticized for something it's for being too close to wall street, right? he is a senator from new jersey. this is an interesting year to running with elizabeth warren and other very critical of wall street. cory booker is someone who has