going to have a lot of these candidates competing for the same people. you talk about kamala harris and cory booker, there's been reporting they've been reporting there's various members of the black caucus in the house. cory booker has made criminal justice reform a part of his being, right? he just helped push it through the senate. kamala harris is going -- that's going to be a big point of contention between the two of them because of her role as a prosecutor, as the ag when she was in california. i think we'll hear a lot of exchanges between the two of them about that issue in particular, because that's going to be one of the ways they try separate themselves from -- in the lane that they're both in. >> there's been a lot of talk about taking certain voting blocks, certain demographics for granted as we know over the last number of years. and john, one of the things that stood out to me, we were talking to michael a short time ago and asking him what his listeners were saying about this growing field. he was saying that people were calling in saying i'm a minority caller and i want you to know kamala harris should not be