leaky as it was in the beginning of the presidency? >> no. for the first year and a half you got the sense that every single senior official thought they were the communications director and could go out and freelance a message that they felt was on behalf of the president and as cliff points out was relatively self serving. i haven't read those two books. i will but i've read the excerpts and reviews and interviews with the authors and one of the interesting things that comes out -- you alluded to it in your intro. they're not anti-trump directly. they don't question the way he leads. one of the questions i would have is if you're writing about how everyone around you in this white house was terrible, does that somehow reflect on the president's style? the president likes to pit people against each other. he said as much. to your point about the anonymous source, yeah, that confirms a lot of reporting from his new york days. there doesn't seem to be the next step which is why? why has this white house been full of people who dislike and mistrust each other? >> why has it been filled with