is guilt by association here or the sense that there is a collectively viewing of this? there is guilt by association, or that president trump, that these people are reflective of who he is? >> well, i don't know if it's anything as gauzy as guilt by association come implies something is guilty because they had a drink with the wrong person. this is not that case. they have an association, roger stone and donald trump, that goes back 40 plus year. he has been politically advising him every step of the way, including -- i saw roger stone at the republican convention in cleveland. he has been a constant adviser to the president all throughout the campaign and the details that are listed in this indictment really make clear that he was in touch with high ranking members of the campaign. so, yeah, it's early to start talking about guilt, but, clearly, there is an association