2010 on one of my campaign events. so i think people are seeing he threatened him, no, no, what he said was i'm going to take your dog because randy doesn't treat his dog well and stone is an animal advocate. so everyone wants to make him out to be this awful guy based on his public image but that's just who he is -- >> you don't believe roger ever intended to threaten him not to testify. >> no behind the scenes roger is telling him tell the truth and that's where you see him actually threatening him like you sold your friends out. why aren't you telling the truth? i'm the one that testified to the special counsel, that randy credico was the intermediary and two weeks later he was subpoenaed. i have known this since 2016. since before it was an issue. >> why do you think roger went before the congressional committee in the first place? he could have pled the fifth.