remember any conversations with michael cohen after the beginning of 2016 and that is what they told the special counsel. what is interesting is what we've been batting around here and some of our reporters have said on the air all day today is an open question about whether this confusion is going to lead to robert mueller and his team asking for a follow-up question from the president and what giuliani said to me is, i'm not worried about it, but if mueller does ask the question, we have told him no other answers, but the answer is really simple, the answer is, we don't know. we don't remember. meaning exactly when the last time the president and michael cohen talked about the trump tower project in moscow. >> just a side question f he feels like he's on a clarification tour and the president is irked by the confusion, does rudy giuliani think he's being clear? >> look, he said to me i'm probably being too lawyerly about this. he's trying to be too specific about it.