those hearings, why they were so chaotic, why she seemed to be targeted in those hearings, why there weren't enough expert testimony talking about her testimony as well. he's got a lot to answer for. i do think the criminal justice -- we saw that play out. you covered hillary clinton. we all covered hillary clinton and how hard she had a go of it in terms of rectifying some of the things she said about criminal justice reform back in the day and where she is now. all of these candidates are. in some ways the folk who had less of a record in public service might have more of an edge in terms of having to figure out where they are now and where they were before. >> i do think sometimes, though, the old playbook is, you know -- you don't even necessarily say you're running for president, now people are less coy. i think -- i look at president trump. he's almost been in every party in a way. is the electorate -- is the democratic electorate forgiving? do you think they say, okay, i