this morning we have in the space of one interview, he'll say he's seen tapes and hasn't seen tapes, the president did know about the moscow tower, negotiated about it up until the election and no, that's not true. rudy giuliani is -- what's his purpose at this point? >> it is a little mysterious. i think silence might be golden for him at this point. the main point about what's different now is donald trump has submitted sworn answers including on this subject about his relationship with russia before the election. i have to believe his lawyers beat him up into telling the truth, that the negotiations were going on throughout 2016 and that means trump lied throughout the campaign about his relationship with russia. so giuliani is now dealing with the problem of acknowledging that the president lied throughout the campaign without