happening and said there were fleeting conversations he told "the new york times." "the new york times" interview was particularly damaging potentially for rudy giuliani's client and in the cleanup attempt, he says these conversations were simply hypothetical and not based on actual conversations with the president. so now if you're a prosecutor sitting at robert mueller's office, you have every reason to come back to the president's team and say look, you guys have to clear this up and the only way to clear this up is for the president to sit down for an interview with the prosecutors and i got to tell you, the reason why this is a big deal is because here we are, all indications are we're close to the finish line and the president's team has managed to stop any sitdown interview between the president and robert mueller's team and here