you where hearts are at the moment, nobody seems to be scared out of the water by him. were he to get in, once voters learn about some of the other candidates, they're not necessarily committed to joe biden, even if they know him and like him and they associate him with obama who they love, in 2016 and in 2008, there isn't a candidate who is scaring people out of the field right now. you see also the upside of this strategy that the woman candidates have of getting in early is trying to brand themselves in the lanes that the men might want to take, right? elizabeth warren you talked about wanting to be the justice candidate. that's bernie's line. if she can get in there and claim she's the younger, fresher alternative, there will still be those people who only belong to bernie, but the idea is to edge him out of his lane. >> and gillibrand, senator out