>> everything was gold, big, loud, more is more is more is more. >> it was like they were at a costume party, we were all watching it. we weren't really invited to the costume party. ivana trump wore these clothes which struck me as very unflattering to her. also her hair-do, which was kind of like a drip castle. and big jewelry. and it was as if some very shrewd salesperson had said, darling, you've got to wear this. and she just looked absurd. >> trump is a pure 1980s figure. the mogul who goes far by just being brash and getting his name put on as many buildings as humanly possible. >> trump tower is basically a temple to the excess of the '80s. it's basically gold plated on the outside. and they have gold toilets. >> in the '80s, people were