whatever it was. '6. joni will tell us when the convention was. george mason from -- >> don't test me. >> -- talked about that specifically, obtaining it by means of fraud. >> okay. let's talk about this idea of impeachment. i heard the word from michael there. i know you say it's time for lawmakers to go there. here's the cover of "the atlantic" again and your piece. you write, quote, the oath of office is the president's promise to subordinate his private desires to the public interests, to serve the nation as a whole rather than any faction within it. trump displays no evidence that he understands these obligations. so when you hear guiliani say the president may have been pursuing a business deal with russia throughout the entire presidential campaign, what do you think? >> well, i think the last 48 hours are a really great illustration of how badly this process is going and why congress ought to summon up the courage to do it right. the constitution gives us a process for weighing these sorts of claims now being levied