manipulate us. we try to focus more on doing our job. we signed up for this, we still come to work, we just want to get paid. >> how concerned are you or perhaps other prison workers since you are the president of the federal prison union? are you hearing from them about their concerns if i don't go to work, if i don't show up the work even though the expectation is i go to work without pay, if i don't go to work and try to find other jobs, other means temporarily that i worry i won't be able to get that job back or that i ultimately will lose that job once the government is up and running again? what is being expressed? >> even now before this sit-down, it's difficult for you to quit and try to come back and get your job back. it's very difficult. i don't know what the plans are for people that do quit the job and try to come back later on to try to get an income to keep their households going, i don't know what the plan is right now. like i say, it's very difficult