as you have roughly 800,000 federal workers going without pay, and you soon -- and are starting to see americans feel the impact of the shutdown at airports across the country. there's been concerns with tax season around the corner, food and drug inspection, how they might be affected. so i think there's still incentive to try and get to a deal. the question of course is with democrats still saying their position is they oppose any funding towards the wall and the president refusing to back down from that demand, how do you sort of address that fundamental sticking point? and do democrats still believe that acquiescing in anyway toward funding for the wall would take away from the position they've taken, seeing that's symbolic of the president's agenda on immigration. so a lot of unanswered questions. at least a move towards some sort of negotiations today. >> i wonder if it will come down to semantics. in that democratic proposal, while they talk about this more